Ron Pacheco: Our customers are being challenged today. Their business models are being challenged. Their IT models are being challenged either by changes in the market dynamics. The pandemic started to help accelerate a lot of that. But also with open source, your competitor is someone you have yet to meet startups, show up and they're driving innovation. So how do our customers stay competitive in that world? Our customers may have regulatory compliance requirements, legacy install, customer-based legacy products. They have to maintain, but they have to innovate in order to be able to deal with that encroaching competition.
Jason Lopez: Pacheco says the foundation of the partnership is open source. And while that can be a catch-all phrase in terms of code being available to the public, he emphasizes that within open source, there can be specific standards to projects based on company cultures. He cites the open container initiative and how standardization around containers helped avoid a lot of chaos.
Ron Pacheco: If you think back to the Unix days and you go way back to project Athena, it was designed to have a Unix-like environment that could be used across multiple vendors. Ultimately, what happened was everybody went off and developed their own Unixes with a whole level of incompatibility. Here in the open source community, because the standards are the same, for example, wheels and tires on a car, you're not bound to your automotive manufacturer to go buy your tires. You can get them out of the open market. That kind of flexible ability and freedom of choice for the end customer is very liberating, making it easy for them to be able to adopt. And then of course, for their value and benefit, it makes all of us compete for their business.
Jason Lopez: Open hybrid cloud is another platform where open source has impacted development. And for Red Hat, that's been important for the past decade with the philosophy that the data center of the future is an open hybrid cloud data center.
Ron Pacheco: This is where I think a lot of people started recognizing that innovation was coming out of open source. And I think that really exploded onto the market. As we started seeing the public cloud providers come to the fore. They were not coming with proprietary solutions. They were coming with open source solutions. And in addition to that, customers were saying, "Hey, I need to tap into that innovation." And they too were tapping into open source. Not that they are not using proprietary, you know, tools and drivers and applications, that's still there, but the primary end of innovation has become open sourced.
Jason Lopez: This is not to say it shops aren't using proprietary solutions. They are, but Pacheco contends that the primary end innovation has become open source. One of the tenets of the Red Hat. Nutanix agreement is the use of Red Hat's OpenShift as the preferred choice for enterprise full stack Kubernetes on Nutanix cloud
Ron Pacheco: OpenShift has been in the market for over 10 years now. As we started to not move into other technologies like Kubernetes, and that's where the collaboration that we had going on with Google, encouraging them to open source Kubernetes, started becoming extremely important because now that started bringing another way of deploying and managing applications and workloads into public cloud visa vi containers. And so this is how we started seeing the open hybrid cloud really, you know, come to the four number, say particularly the last five years, it's there with tremendous vigor. You see many different public clouds showing up all of them trying to provide very similar services, whether it's virtualization services, AI ML services, container-based services, function as a service, etc. This is how we've seen the open hybrid cloud. Really expand
Jason Lopez: I departments obviously have a greater variety of opportunities on open source, which is a key driver of open hybrid cloud. But there are challenges as with any new technology or deployment model.
Ron Pacheco: When virtualization really made it big on the scene maybe 15 plus years ago, we were doing simple things, we were just basically replicating our windows, desktops all over the place to have a level of consistency. Then we started moving into servers, both windows, Linux, and that's where we started seeing challenges and trying to understand, well, geez, it's not the performance I expected. I need to kind of back a little bit until that gets flushed out. And certainly, I think as an industry, all the virtualization players, the cloud players, the hardware OEMs, all invested in making sure that technology was consistent in terms of what it delivered from an expectation, from an experience and on the performance as close as we possibly can. And so that was a big turning point.
Jason Lopez: Pacheco adds there was a need in the industry to innovate and iterate on applications quickly, hence containers, what some
Ron Pacheco: People were not thinking about as they were going into the container space is how do I actually do this in a repeatable, reliable way in terms of how I want to run and manage my business. And so oftentimes we saw that the container story was being led, delivered and pushed as a developer thing. It certainly is. But what about the operations piece? Because we look to operations to be able to keep us compliant with either internal standards, regulatory standards, et cetera, that piece needed to come back into the picture.
Jason Lopez: By using Linux and understanding, not just business and technical requirements, but regulatory ones as well, OpenShift is Red Hat's answer to the market's needs.
Ron Pacheco: That gave customers yet another way of being able to deploy their applications with everything that the operations people need, not only to do their jobs but to both protect and grow their businesses. And I think that's where we are today on the container journey. The good news is it didn't take as long as it did on the virtualization side, but that's because I think the industry as a whole, was smart and was not looking to go reinvent wheels. They looked at what was happening and then quickly adapted. But a lot of the adaptation is because it's open source driven. In the past we had a lot of, you know, hypervisor vendors and some open source ones that kind of led us to figure out how do we work together, but also independently back to the Unix phase that here we're in a whole different path.
Jason Lopez: As part of the partnership, the Nutanix cloud platform is now a preferred choice for hyperconverged infrastructure for Red Hat at enterprise Linux and Red Hat OpenShift. And Nutanix, AHV is now a Red Hat certified hypervisor enabling full support for Red Hat, enterprise, Linux, and OpenShift on Nutanix cloud. The companies will work together on interoperability for their clients.
Ron Pacheco: We've got a set of customers, some of them have already made investment strategic investments in one or both partners. And they want to be able to continue to capitalize on that customers as they start thinking about rel and OpenShift and public cloud and on and on, these are long term strategic investments that customers are making us, that we also need to return in kind. So first and foremost is listening carefully to customers.
Jason Lopez: Listening to customers is a central feature of Nutanix's culture. If you look at Red Hats and Nutanix's portfolios and the ecosystem of other partners, they operate in much the same way.
Ron Pacheco: Together and independently. We have been looking at the hybrid cloud and as we look at the open hybrid cloud, it doesn't have a single definition. It continues to evolve. As IT ecosystem the customer base and the users continue to grow. So does the definition of the open hybrid cloud.
Jason Lopez: Pacheco points to Nutanix's hyperconverged infrastructure and how significant it's been in the market. It's become a crucial part of the open hybrid cloud.
Ron Pacheco: Kudos to Nutanix, it continues to succeed in the open hybrid cloud with the hyperconverged infrastructure, because it brings a level of automation, ease of use and time to market that customers absolutely need. Less hands-on, more time to production, less tuning. I think it's an important asset for a lot of customers to be able to consume.
Jason Lopez: IT has many market choices in terms of billing, tuning workloads, applications and services, which is why Pacheco keeps returning to a specific idea of market success.
Ron Pacheco: I'm talking about the success of our customers because the way we look at our success is from our customers succeeding because as they succeed, we hope that they continue to entrust us with their business, and their IT strategy that we can continue to work with them as they grow their businesses, help them expand and grow.
Jason Lopez: Ron Pacheco is the director of product management at Red Hat. This is the tech barometer podcast. I'm Jason Lopez. Tech barometer is a production of the forecast, and you can find a wealth of stories on technology and the people in tech at theforecastbynutanix.com. Thanks for listening.